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[bolsoncerrado]

Please use this post to comment on the recent announcement.

[Broome]

Tried to read the letter but the link does not work. Something with permission, could you fix the link?

[bolsoncerrado]

Should be fixed now.

[Henk]

The update of october basically contains no news.
- Ethan invested astronomical amounts of mony.
- He is loosing this all to help us poor people.
- The whole world is conspiring against him and this is the reason for all trouble.
- He is the target and victim of many negative actions by customers, employees, shippers, customs and the government in general.
- He is the victim of the fact that he started to produce more and more models, the customers are to blame for the many models.
- Give him more time and money and everything would have been allright, but now all the evil forces are making it hard for him to fulfill his promises.

Ethan suggests that there are a very few people trying to bring him down for their own profit and accuses "unknown" people of criminal behaviour, this is a serious development of affairs.
Anyone can conclude that I'm the "guy from Europe" he refers to.
In the very beginning I have thought about reselling Rapide but decided not to do it.
A friend of mine who has a 3D print shop that I have a stake in was a few months ago approached by Ethan to be reseller and I advised him to read the Indiegogo messages first. He declined to do buisness with Ethan.
It is not true that I wanted to be reseller and that Ethan declined.

What annoyed me most in the campaign was the lack of response.
But now things seem to go sour there is a lengthy response.
However again it is nothing but a blend of paranoid conspiracy theory, accusations, excuses and promises.

What I find interesting is that now there seems to have started a troll campaign.
Suddenly people who are totally satisfied start to read the messages and find a cause to react.
Until now we have never seen such reactions.


We can go into great lengths about the conspiracies Ethan sees but that does not seem productive to me.
It must be clear to anyone who reads the messages and updates and who can think what is going on here.

The reaction of Indiegogo is interesting.
Indiegogo has not contacted me beyond acknowledging the complaint.
I cannot put messages on the Indiegogo Rapide campaign board anymore while the reaction by the campaign owner directly addresses me.
I was part of closing another campaign before based on complaints. That time I also did not get any message from Indiegogo beyond confirming the complaint, the campaign just closed. Indiegogo took away the complaining messages on that message board.

Being attacked directly, it starts to become personal.
Also it feels like it is easy to get into a spiral of things that go far beyond my personal interests in this.
On the other side I hate to be taken advantage of and I hate to see other people being taken advantage of.
There are enough people active on this list and most likely I will not continue to react on this affair, there is more to life than this.

Just to be clear;
- I have no business profit or interest in bringing the campaign down at all.
- I'm losing money now the perk definitely will not be delivered.
- This is not part of a "concerted" action.
- I have a stake in a 3D print shop that sells a lot of different brands and does not produce printers. This interest is in no way related to my reactions to this campaign.

[bolsoncerrado]

Henk, I'm part of this story too, the one on the FACTORY CLOSE part and the part he acuses me of tracking him down up to the limit his factory is shut down for a MONTH lol...

Agreed, his behaviour is "all is everyone elses' fault" and the fact he has had Rapide One campaign as a BIG failure with people coming to our recently (24h before this update!) created "how much does Ethan owe you" campaign to expose he still owes people money from the PRE-RAPIDELITE 200 Campaigns should make people realize this guy is out of control...

Of course, people will want their perks delivered, so we are a bit of "alone" here...

All I can do however is stop supporting this brand until this matter resolves here or in Court, because, as you said, this has gone too personal and far away. He didnt put any names on the update, but it's too easy to link his accusations to all the email communications I have with him and all the email headers, IPs and such...

He SHOULD BE REALLY WORRIED NOW as I won't stop here. I dont give a fuck who he really is, his real name, companies or money he has. I won't stop until I get my money back, no matter if I need to invest 10 times what I spent.

[Henk]

Bolsoncerrado,

I feel too that a line is passed by accusing people of criminal conduct, while these people can clearly be tracked.
I think that Indiegogo is responsible for publishing this content.
I'm thinking about getting my lawyer involved and target Indiegogo.
The personal attack also makes me feel like acting more firmly.
I'm in between letting go and being drawn into, both because of the personal attack.

What actually made me get involved was realizing that there is no RapideLite store, after all this time and investing well over 8 million dollar you can still only buy this printer through IndieGoGo.
After Ethan offered distribution to this friend I checked a bit on Rapide and started to realize that Indiegogo is acting as front-end to scams.
RapideLite is not the only project that is not a startup.
Indiegogo keeps getting money in after campaigns are funded and acts as a limited rights store.
On top of that it seems to be a pattern that Indiegogo is not open.

Indiegogo is yet another VolksWagen.

A funny thing is the high ranking on 3D print hubs Ethan is so proud of.
For a printer that has sold so few items and given the real quality it is a wonder
It would be interesting to find out how the 3D printhubs list is hacked to arrive at this unlikely result.

[bolsoncerrado]

The ranking thing on 3dHUbs is as childish rubbish as hilarious....

How can he be so proud of it?!

The Form1 or the Replicator with HUNDREDS near ONE THOUSAND of reviews are still withstanding 4.7x ratings and RapideLite200 still has only 65 reviews. LOL


On the IGG side of things, yes, IGG has a real issue, it's just a matter of time a lawyer gets involved in one of the campaigns and gets scammed.... IGG gets money of SCAMS so they become scammers too. Not saying Rapide3D is a scam at this point but I've been scammed in another IGG campaign before and while IGG clean their hands on it, their hands are already dirty of dirty money, so at least in the EU they're full of SHIT no matter what. The EU laws are pretty strict on the "business scheme" they're producing, so it's a time bomb ticking and ready to expode is just a matter of time.


The business model of leaving the door open to further orders like Rapide3D is doing thru IGG site is just a double edge weapon as well, as in EU they're binding both themselves to our laws and granting us rights automatically.... so yeah, be prepared IGG/RAPIDE, here we come.

[Henk]

Interesting to see all these positive messages that suddenly appear on the campaign board.
It is beyond doubt that Ethan has been approacehd by Indiegogo and thinks that insulting people and getting trolls to communicate for him will help him out.
These trolls sound like a communist propaganda machine, suddenly a stream of messages with the same intention appear whereas there have been complaints going on by a lot of people for quite some time now. Ethan did not find it interesting to react on all those messages, with the result that people did not accept it anymore. Only now does he react and that IN THE MOST UNACCEPTABLE MANNER POSSIBLE.

While Ethan is stating that his business may break down beacuse of all the pay-pall charge backs as the result of a few messages, some people seem to want to invest and buy big time now. Also interesting is the observation that all these positive people did not react to messages on the campaign board till now but that at the same time allready a lot of chargebacks were going on according to Ethan. So we must believe that in the past days a lot of people did read the messages and as a result asked their money back from Ethan, while now Indiegogo got involved in the complaints suddenly one message after another is an expression of authentic love for the project. This does not make sense.

[Henk]

Bolsoncerrado,

If you consider action, I would try to save the whole history of the messages and comments of the campaign.

[lharris]

Palpal only allows a 90 day window for chargebacks - so I don't think he has to worry - most investors are well past that date. They do send him a message asking him to respond. I did that and am not entitled to paypal protection as its past the timeframe, but just wanted a response as my emails go unanswered.
Just to inform yourselves - google ionnoi, the guy in question, mh370 campaign etc. Ethan has been there before with same comments. Just wish I had used google before I paid.